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Aug 8, 2007 3:46:58 GMT -5
Post by Terra on Aug 8, 2007 3:46:58 GMT -5
A constant problem that I'm seeing a lot more lately and didn't realize it was such a big deal.
Elite...
Now, I understand that there are some players that are MAGINIFICENT writers and I'm so grateful to be able to RP with them and am often proud so I'll post them somewhere. But I wasn't aware that these people were 'Elite' or that it was a bad thing. Countless times I've heard people bad-mouth someone with the word elite tossed around as if it were something horrible. Personally, I admire half the people that get called 'elite' or snobby. And I laugh when someone tells me that I'm a part of it all, and probably would never RP with them because of it. At the same time it angers me. How could someone be so judgemental? People just decide not to RP with someone because they've labelled them with something obscene. Honestly, what're these people thing?
To further my two cents (it's now a nickel), I think some people should get over themselves. There are people on this game that are WORTH looking up to, that are worth wanting to RP with because of their style, because of their ideas. Why does this make them elite? Why is it a bad thing? I don't understand it all, these days. Some of these 'elite' people that a LOT are so quick to bash are part of the reason this game has got to where it is, why it contines to improve. And sure, there are days when I will NOT RP with someone, but it's not because I think I'm better than them. It's often times because they've done something to upset me, or just made them come off as stupid and I wouldn't be able to handle it (IE: IC/OOC crossover).
To be honest, I'm not even sure what elite is. Or why people feel the need to label someone with it, and avoid RP with them because of that label. It's all crap, to me.
What do you think? Is there some elitist circle that I've stumbled on that are self-rightetous jerks and refuse to RP with people? Or is it just good writers that are often given a hard time because of insecurities?
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Aug 8, 2007 4:40:12 GMT -5
Post by Deilakrion on Aug 8, 2007 4:40:12 GMT -5
I consider myself an elitist when it comes to writing. What's that mean? I don't rp with someone who won't take the time, or doesn't know, proper english. No, that's not good rp manners. Quite frankly, I often don't care. I don't bash the person personally--many of my friends don't type correctly (but I wouldn't rp with them, either), but Hollow time is my time. It's pleasure time. It's game time. I don't get a lot of me time. Often, I have people asking me to do this or that on me time, whether it be to play a game with them, hang out with them, or do a favor for them. Thusly, I hold to myself certain standards. Unless I feel like it, I want to rp with someone who I consider around my level at writing. That's what really gets me going. That's what makes me feel good. And yeah, I mock what I consider to be bad rp. Hell, I delight in it. I often just don't bother with that sort of rp. I'll acknowledge it, but I won't participate actively. I have high standards, and I indulge freely in them. That doesn't mean that I act mean towards people who are below those standards, but it does mean that I maintain my right to discriminate who I do and don't wish to rp with. Does that make me a bad person? I don't think so. Other people might, and that's their decision. Does that make them bad people to discriminate against me? No, it's a game. The only time any of this crosses a line is when it is taken into real life in the extent that you avoid that person wholly in game and out. That's retarded. Anyone who betches and moans about it is simply immature. Yeah, I'm talking about the ooc board and the constant drama-fests that are contained within. If they take the time to belittle others in subtle attacks, then quite frankly that proves again that they aren't worth my time. I do not like wasting my time. So, I look down on some and salute others. Doesn't mean you can't raise yourself in my esteem or lower yourself, for that matter. Then again, why should it matter to other people? I'll respect 'em, either way, until it goes out of bounds. Am I a self righteous jerk? Sometimes. I'm no perfect person. I don't claim to be. I think I'm a pretty good person most of the time, but I do have moments. All in all, I'll rp with who I want to and when I want to. Keeps me happy with Hollow, and you generally won't see me mouthing off on the ooc board 'less it's for amusement. Now how many others are happy with the rp situation on hollow? And just how can you label them? Subjectivity. It's all in your head.
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Elite?
Aug 8, 2007 5:14:45 GMT -5
Post by Terra on Aug 8, 2007 5:14:45 GMT -5
In those regards I could understand why some people think that all good writers are like that, and that's just not so.
I like to RP with ... anyone I can, providing they're not purposely doing something to upset me on an OOC level with deregatory comments, or the post one-liners that make them uber.
I like hearing ideas. I like sharing ideas. I don't care who it is with, if they're a "good" writer or not. I don't even know WHAT makes a good writer. Just because someone has a grasp on grammar, spelling, and a large vocabulary doesn't make them -good-.
I guess what I'm trying to say is there's too many closed minds that have set certain standards and don't seem to be willing to lower them, or help someone below reach them. I know the Cabal is made up of plenty amazing players, but I thought one of the purposes was to further the RP of others? If we just dismiss that because they're not good writers, or they're not doing what we want, how does that make us good writers? Good people in game?
It's late, I'm babbling. Yet again. I just think the label 'elite' is ghey, and I'd rather it not be used. If you'd prefer to remain within a certain circle/ring, kudos to whomever. I just don't think it fair. =/
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Aug 8, 2007 10:42:53 GMT -5
Post by Joliette Thorne on Aug 8, 2007 10:42:53 GMT -5
1: There is a big difference between 'elite' and 'elitist'.
2: People who get called 'elitist' are often very far from it.
3: People who call others 'elitist' are often the very worst elitists.
4: People who are called 'elitist' are often the very worst elitists.
5: There are some people who make my f'n brain bleed.
6: There's many others who are fun to play with. So I do that.
7: Hollow is not my primary social circle. It is a game I play. I am not obliged to do/be anything for anyone. I am a nice person, though, so I try to stay that way, even in the face of monumental rudeness and stupidity. Most of the time, I nearly succeed.
8: I am a busy person, I do not and cannot have time for everyone.
9: I am a writer. I go to Hollow to write with other writers. Experienced ones, learners, whatever, as long as they love to write and don't hit me with a pile of shitty ooc shit.
10: I am elite as folk.
11: I am not an elitist.
12: I like making lists.
13: If you take the letters from 'elitist' and mix them around, you get 'tie list'.
14: Basically, 'elitist' is just another term for 'snob', and is usually spat out as an insult in a moment of angst by somebody who feels jealous or left out. It DOES hurt to be called an elitist- I had it posted up all over the ooc board about me for months. I was really, really upset by it. I was defending myself, justifying my rp, justifying myself as a person, logging out and wigging out, all over the f'n place.
Then I realised: it was a giant heap of baloney. That person was full of shit. I know what/who I am. I have fun. The folk who have fun with me have fun and you know what?
I realised that perhaps I had invested my self-esteem as a writer/roleplayer/human being just a little TOO MUCH in the opinions of people on an ingrown internet roleplaying game.
So spank me.
plz?
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Aug 8, 2007 10:48:23 GMT -5
Post by Joliette Thorne on Aug 8, 2007 10:48:23 GMT -5
PS: I know the Cabal is made up of plenty amazing players, but I thought one of the purposes was to further the RP of others? *further the rp of its members. Not everyone in the game's. Though some Cabal members do try. Others do not. We DO do a hell of a lot for rp in Hollow and that's something to be proud of.
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Aug 8, 2007 13:06:51 GMT -5
Post by malandros on Aug 8, 2007 13:06:51 GMT -5
For me, Elite just means you've passed the general expectancy of writing. You're an 'above average' writer.
I detest people who cross that line and forget the people who helped them get to the top. If it weren't for poor grammar, nobody would be elite, afterall. Everyone had to take steps to progress their writing, and few progress at a faster pace. I don't believe that you should neglect people when reaching your new heights, and only write with a specific crowd (Unless the character was created to do so) that takes away a lot of realism in the game. Though, I also doubt the people that chant these Elitist comments. I somehow doubt they've ever really tried to involve themselves in a large scale write. Even if you're acknowledged the slightest bit, with a glance...a wink, a shrug...They still acknowledge. Maybe your story wouldn't fit their character, or their attitude wouldn't warrant you a conversation. With popularity comes complaints. When your name is known, everyone wants to know you. I just can't see how an OOC opinion should make my character completely disregard his past and make new friends. It's selfish to even ASK me to be friendly ICly.
In conclusion; People should take a good look at what's really going on. Just because we don't chat with them, doesn't mean we're 'Elitist'. It just means that we respect our RP and characters enough NOT to change them to suit someones wishes. It doesn't warrant personal attacks.
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Aug 8, 2007 16:07:40 GMT -5
Post by Deilakrion on Aug 8, 2007 16:07:40 GMT -5
Too, another thing, you have to remember that it depends on who is using the term to clearly define it, no matter what the dictionary tells you. It was my friends who first labeled me an elitist, after many of our arguments over the validity of my rp. I coined the term, and they ran with it. Them, who indulge headfirst in life: mmorpgs, fps games, movies, racing cars, fixing cars, mudding, biking, running, hanging out, walking around--they live life first and don't really indulge in the fantasms that I do. It wasn't an ungentle term, necessarily either; from their mindsets, I was a little too into my writing. Rp? Well, it wastes time I could be using to heal them in a certain mmorpg and is horribly nerdy, at that. So, with the way things go and the rules of argument, I adopted the term for myself. They shake their heads at me when I eagerly point to microsoft word and its miniscule scroll-bar, the paragraphs of text darkening what otherwise would be a pristine white screen. "Look!" I say, "See, I'm not done yet!" The response? I quote here: "TL;DR." That's what I'm told ('too long; didn't read' for those of you who dno't know). See? I have a reputation to uphold. (well, one of them wishes to join me but he is a finicky one when it comes to character creation) Iunno. Mayhaps my definition is different from most peoples'. I consider me, a self-proclaimed elitist, to simply have a high set of standards that I refuse to compromise. I have invested far too much in Deilakrion to go about hanging around people who ask me, icly, "why r u naked? haha" Because trust me, I have dealt with that, and I do not wish to (I have had reactions to Deila that were taken ooc. I don't appreciate that type of reaction at all.). Thusly I do not. That, and people who treat Deila like she is a naked whore, after I have taken considerable time to create a biography that points to the opposite, and rp her in a way that makes it obvious that she is far from such an individual. My rp is sacred to me. I share it with people I can compare myself to, and whose writing interests or intrigues me. I'm not saying it has to be perfect--hell, we all make typos and mistakes and write things that really do not make sense. But if you do not make the effort, then neither shall I. If I'm asked to help, then I will. I simply do not have the time or patience to go around correcting everyone who needs it, or offering advice to newcomers who didn't request it. That is not my job, and I would never make that my job. I appreciate people who can do that, but that person is not me. RP is something you have to work at. I think all can agree on that. But, my ethical standpoint is that if I start something, I am going to do the best goddamn job at it I can and always strive to improve. If I cannot--for whatever reason--do that then I cut my losses. I understand that not everyone wants to rp on the level that I do (and no, I'm not saying that 'my level' is necessarily better or worse. From a writing standard, yeah, it's better; from an rp standard, it's just different), and that's fine. Power to you for sticking to your guns. But if you want to rp with me, you gotta meet me halfway. I expect you to be a good writer first, and a good rper second. That's good rp to me. That's being an elitist, to me. That, and making fun of uh, low quality rp >.> Y'know, the kind of rp where people think they're the greatest gift to rp. . .I respect people, sure. Respect your rp and writing? That depends wholly on you. So that's my spin in a different light. Take it or leave it. . .that's up to you. It's my belief that pretty much everyone can meet my standards. It's up to them to try, not me. And I promise I'm not a bitch Honest. I feel like I have to explain myself in this particular setting because, well, writing/reading and art are my things. Because they are my things, I have very high standards for them and for those who partake in them. Nah, it's not fair. But that's how I work.
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Aug 8, 2007 16:16:29 GMT -5
Post by malandros on Aug 8, 2007 16:16:29 GMT -5
I'm so elite. My writing is as follows:
/ runs intwo da tree end fauls 0ver because he hitted de tree wiff lots end lots uf force wich herted him m0r3 than he expecteded so n0w h3 laids on da flo0r wif a hearting hed.
Deila is ownage. Nothing wrong with her. I probably wouldn't even attempt writing with her, though. Personal insecurities about my own writing at the moment.
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Aug 8, 2007 16:43:42 GMT -5
Post by diiroehntheliche on Aug 8, 2007 16:43:42 GMT -5
I'm sure as hell no elite, and don't claim to be. Unless I'm goofing around. But either way, I'm not that good a writer, and frankly, I think 'elite' is a poor category anyway. "You write better and/or have game-famous friends, so I'm going to give you as much crap as I can." That kills me. I mean, seriously. Why not try to make yourself a better writer instead of harassing those you think are good writers/RPers? Really. By the way, I use 'you' as a general audience thingy, I don't mean anyone in particular.
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Aug 8, 2007 16:48:00 GMT -5
Post by kasyr on Aug 8, 2007 16:48:00 GMT -5
Haha, This totally reminds me of a conversation I had with someone about Darian, because I was like, "so if you want to rp, why don't you go to the corpse." - "Well he's there..." - "Who?" - Hisses "Darian!" - "And? Put an effort out" - "Well, they'll ignore me or" bla bla bla, insert excuses here.
Some other time, me and Darian had a chat as to people rping with him, and the main problem was people seemed to fsking run away, which furthered the elite bit!
Like, ffs, me and him started rping the "How to Clear a horde" Thing...and The tav emptied out of like 8 or 11 people in 1 or two posts. -_-; Goddamnit.
Elite circles are created by people placing others on damn pedestals and then refusing to even step forward. And then Elitist seems to get tagged on because others dinnae see the 'elite' go with anyone under his level...Because The others are all too fsking intimidated.
...I adore my writing style thus. It's too imperfect to deprive me of rp when I'm being lazy >_>..and when I'm around good people I tend to get competitive and reflective of the style.
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Aug 8, 2007 17:08:10 GMT -5
Post by Terra on Aug 8, 2007 17:08:10 GMT -5
Maybe that was where I misunderstood, the difference between being a part of the 'elite' and being an 'elitist'. Honestly I don't like either title and would prefer it not be a label when someone thinks of me or my RP's, but I constantly get the 'elitist' bit when I've been trying (AND TRYING) to make it known that I'm open for any RP with anyone. Could be why I get so frustrated over it? Owel.
Furthermore, I know what you mean, Kasyr. I've had several people complain to me about how I write, and why they don't see a point in RP'ing with me if I'm just going to look better than them/make them not as good. I don't really understand that theory, and probably never will. It's those people that frustrate me the most and are often the one tossing around this 'elitist' title.
And I don't have Microsoft word, and the program I use does not have spell-check. That could be the same for some people, or maybe they're still young and looking for someone to help them along. I'm not going to ignore someone's attempts at RP because of how they spell, and will instead offer to help. I don't see the need to mock someone because of it, or laugh at whatever RP they come up with. That bothers me. I think it takes a lot for some people to enter a post, especially when in a place like the Tavern's that are crowded with people who could all be judging that person based on one post. It just isn't fair. People improve; I did! But I could not have done it without someone there to RP with me, instead of ignoring me because of my mistakes, or laughing at me because my idea was silly.
I'm not looking to bash anyone who goes under that, because that's their thing. I don't have and hard feelings or loss of respect over it, honest. I'm just confused as to it all. I thought elitist was an insult, and I took it to mean such, but there are people who willingly claim it, spread it, and don't seem to understand that letting others have that title sucks. I don't want to be elitist. If I'm Tenebrae's belief on elite, so be it. If that's what the Cabal is, so be it. But I'm not going to be one of those that turn down someone's RP, especially if I can join in and help make it better, or get another person's story underway.
Then again, I'm still naive and whatever. Could be I'll come to change my ways and decide to be 'elite/elitist'. Not now, and I'm going to defend anyone that someone feels the need to call 'elitist'. /endrant
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Aug 8, 2007 17:50:11 GMT -5
Post by Joliette Thorne on Aug 8, 2007 17:50:11 GMT -5
I thought elitist was an insult, and I took it to mean such, but there are people who willingly claim it, spread it, and don't seem to understand that letting others have that title sucks.
-- Why do gay people embrace the word 'queer'? If something's hurtful, you take it and make it your own, and laugh about it, and doesn't hurt anymore. Don't blame the people who are writing, enjoying themselves and getting shit on for it. Look at the people who started it.
I don't want to be elitist. If I'm Tenebrae's belief on elite, so be it. If that's what the Cabal is, so be it. But I'm not going to be one of those that turn down someone's RP, especially if I can join in and help make it better, or get another person's story underway.
--Uh.. wut?
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Aug 8, 2007 18:52:14 GMT -5
Post by Terra on Aug 8, 2007 18:52:14 GMT -5
Uhm, what? I wasn't trying to blame anyone for the matter. I was just saying that it frustrated me because I didn't understand. Typical things, really. I was trying to say that I didnt' appreciate the people that would just toss it around like some girls spread their legs, is all.
And I meant, this, "There is a big difference between 'elite' and 'elitist'.... I think. I haven't been sleeping enough to understand enough of what I post, methinks.
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Aug 8, 2007 19:08:50 GMT -5
Post by Deilakrion on Aug 8, 2007 19:08:50 GMT -5
And I don't have Microsoft word, and the program I use does not have spell-check. That could be the same for some people, or maybe they're still young and looking for someone to help them along. I'm not going to ignore someone's attempts at RP because of how they spell, and will instead offer to help. I don't see the need to mock someone because of it, or laugh at whatever RP they come up with. That bothers me. I think it takes a lot for some people to enter a post, especially when in a place like the Tavern's that are crowded with people who could all be judging that person based on one post. It just isn't fair. People improve; I did! But I could not have done it without someone there to RP with me, instead of ignoring me because of my mistakes, or laughing at me because my idea was silly. Aghah. I'm guessing you're responding to me, so I'll try to explain myself further. : / I don't make fun of people for how they spell or don't spell. Hell, if I hafta, I'll go to a forum I visited at 14 and copy+paste some examples of how I used to type. Trust me, you'll laugh. Maybe even cry. >.> It was bad. The thing is, there is a marked difference between people genuinely trying to rp and those just going on a lark. There is a marked difference between people who are yet new to writing and those simply too lazy to use proper english. There is a marked difference between simple mistakes and an uncaring writer. The former in all of those, those are the ones I make note of. Those are the ones I wait for. The latter, those are the ones I disregard. Those are the ones who, as of now, don't care to get into the rp that I do. Those are the ones I will not try, in any way, to help. As for the mocking. Well, the ones who rp to get attention, they get my attention. You don't want my attention in that regard. Excessive drama, acting out your lustful thoughts, acting like a high school kid on a 500 year old character, blatantly ripping off character models from published sources. . .that's what I mock. Things I don't like. Naw, it's still not right, but in my head it's poetic justice. >.> Iunno, maybe it's just my experience. I used to try to include EVERYONE. I would. It gave me headaches. From mindless posts to people ignoring certain parts of mine, I found it a waste of time. It was highly frustrating. I would end nights of rp being angry at myself for wasting time. I would rant. Now, people who genuinely put thought into their posts, they're reaching the grounds of my standards. They might not be the most eloquent, or the most fruitful, but I know they're people to watch. Hehe. Through the years and development of my writing, I've come to know that I'm a good writer. It isn't excessive egotism and I don't hold ground with false modesty. I ain't the best, but I intend to get up there. So, my label for myself, my elitism. Consider that a challenge for all those writers who wonder to themselves 'am I good enough?' Consider that my offer, and my blessing. If you aren't good enough, make yourself good enough. If you don't think you're good enough, be good enough. If you want, I'll give you a critical overview of your writing. But once you put your foot on that first step, you've already made a tremendous amount of progress. And then, then that person and I shall rp. But that first step belongs solely to that person, and no one else. And THAT applies to well enough anything. So are you good enough? Correct answer: Yes. And then, in my eyes, you will be an elitist too. There are no dirty words in my language--only misused ones.
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Aug 8, 2007 19:13:47 GMT -5
Post by Terra on Aug 8, 2007 19:13:47 GMT -5
Mm, yes. I wasn't meaning to like, call anyone out or offend. I understand that it's your want to claim that title, and you've earned the right to do so, from the writing and RP's that I've seen, so it's okay. Bleh, I'm going to keep trying with them, I suppose. And yes, it will probably end in headache and me cussing my computer and the existence of the game, but atleast I can say I tried. Kinda like you did. But yea, this was just my two cents on the matter. I think there are some who are better, that's just how things are. And there's always going to be average writers, and bad ones. Atleast we'll agree on the fact that someone can always improve, and that there's always some goal to work for to better yourself in writing/RP.
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Aug 8, 2007 19:18:57 GMT -5
Post by malandros on Aug 8, 2007 19:18:57 GMT -5
Just ignore the ignorant people. It's the best possible outcome. Accept the people who attempt to get better, or at least have fun in general, and cast away the fickers who bring ya down. It's not worth a headache putting up with people who always attempt to degrade you. If they continue calling you an elitist; simply tell them 'Yes, I am.' and be proud of it. You'll be the one leaving with a smile and good writing to show for it. Not them.
Stoopid pricks.
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Aug 8, 2007 23:14:53 GMT -5
Post by Rheven on Aug 8, 2007 23:14:53 GMT -5
An elitist is just the opposite to a noob, really.
A noob is someone who runs on the game and has little consideration for others, doesn't try to learn things about the game or how to RP properly, and generally just runs around making a fool of themselves.
An elitist is someone that believes they have standards for RP and are thus 'too good' to RP with others that don't write/RP/etc to the level that impresses them or believe is worth their time. Elitists do exist. So do noobs. No one should be 'proud' to hold either title.
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Sept 2, 2007 19:59:53 GMT -5
Post by Tom on Sept 2, 2007 19:59:53 GMT -5
If there's anything my time on these types of community-based (intrinsically and related to critique and popularity, not reliance in terms of stat advance and resource gathering) games has taught me, it's that the greatest alteration to your own calibre comes with the ability to simply not give a fuck about any of it. Try it; you'll have fun.
Never gauge yourself by classifications etched on you/ your associates by the mob.
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Jul 31, 2008 8:19:39 GMT -5
Post by Jaidin Traye on Jul 31, 2008 8:19:39 GMT -5
/wishes she were elite/ Honestly, I've had some say I was... but I've always believed that when they said it, it was done as a compliment (you can generally tell when it's said maliciously; or forgive me, I am a moron). And you know what? I welcome it. I know I am not elite, because being my own worst judge, I see every single fault. I highly look up to many others on the game, learn every day from them by following their well-set example, but most of all.... I have fun.
Just remember, being elite as others see you (the compliment kind-- not the 'I'm so jealous I'm going to take a stab at you by calling you elite! kind)... You're leading the way. You lit the torch, you raised it in the tunnel, you took the first step. You cast light on the world, and made the dark places less scary. You're showing everyone else the way.
This is the only instance of -responsibility- that is fun, that I can think of. So try not to let your followers falter in your wake, eh?
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Jul 31, 2008 17:08:45 GMT -5
Post by Caedan on Jul 31, 2008 17:08:45 GMT -5
i think tom hit the nail on the head.
tbh, i think it is that ability not to give a fuck that makes one a better writer/rper/elitister.
i like few people on the game and i respect even fewer, so their opinions of my skill/classification are hardly even worth the time it's taken me to type out this reply.
p.s. above sentence not applicable to the majority of people active in this forum. xD
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Aug 2, 2008 5:25:31 GMT -5
Post by Joliette Thorne on Aug 2, 2008 5:25:31 GMT -5
If you mix the letters around, you also get "le titis".
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Aug 2, 2008 5:59:37 GMT -5
Post by Deilakrion on Aug 2, 2008 5:59:37 GMT -5
Or 'lei tits'. I wonder what exact implication that has. . .
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Aug 7, 2008 5:51:06 GMT -5
Post by Jaidin Traye on Aug 7, 2008 5:51:06 GMT -5
...People want them. Hah. Or want better than they have, right? It works, don't it? /hides/
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Aug 8, 2008 22:54:38 GMT -5
Post by Arysel on Aug 8, 2008 22:54:38 GMT -5
When I first started playing, I was rather intimidated by players such as in this forum, for the simple fact that I didn't think I would measure up. It wasn't until I was almost ready to get rid of that character and start over that I started hearing "Elitist this" and "Elitist that." When I was allowed to play Daedria, I was even told at one time I was an Admin favorite, to which I scoffed. Then, when Errin was dead and I made Arysel, I had had enough and decided I would go out and look for RP with anyone, anywhere, for any reason. And that is how Arysel met Tenebrae. It could have been anyone I suppose. But I had so much fun because I stopped caring about who I RP'd with. I stopped worrying about if I was going to be good enough to RP with and just went with it.
And that is how I am now. If something happens and there is a plausible consequence to my character, up to and including death, I will go with it and say "Oh well, it was a good run."
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Aug 9, 2008 2:09:27 GMT -5
Post by Deilakrion on Aug 9, 2008 2:09:27 GMT -5
Meh. When all is said and done, I expect people to understand that they are not greater or lesser than I or anyone else. I think the elitism flame wars of hollow have been put out for the time being; it was a horrid phase and one that well deserves its rest.
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Aug 9, 2008 10:28:35 GMT -5
Post by Arysel on Aug 9, 2008 10:28:35 GMT -5
Amen to that! I just had to get my two cents in there anyway.
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