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Post by Terra on Jun 27, 2008 17:26:19 GMT -5
A NOTE FROM TENE.[/size][/color]
Sorry, Ter, to have to butt in to your excellent post here. Just a note on a couple RULES of posting here:
1: Do NOT name names.
2: DO sign a Hollow- recognisable char name to your post.
3: DO NOT reply to other people's rants. Not even in a sly backhanded way. This is a thread to get stuff off your chest, not a place to make arguments.
4: Don't annoy me.
That is all. Thanks Ter. I might be making good use of this later.
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Yes, you read that right, this thread is the tantrum thread and I have quite a few of them to throw at the moment.
The first is this: Stalking. Even in an online game, this has become a hazard, and a very scary one at that. Recently, someone brought it to my attention that an overzealous player is, for all intents and purposes, stalking them. It's just another form of harassment, really, and it's completely unncessary. The stalker wouldn't even allow the other player time to log in and doing anything. Within thirty seconds the player was recieving tells, and shortly after that, the stalker appeared in the room and continued to talk to 'em. Eventually, the player gave up on responding because that's a form of encouragement, and the stalker simply didn't take the hint. It's bound to make someone uncomfortable.
I bring this up because it's not the first time it's happened to that player, to myself, or any number of people. It's --sadly-- a very common thing, so it appears. I stated it before on the OOC, but I'll say it again: It's okay to admire someone for their accomplishments in-game and out, but be careful of that line that keeps it from becoming obsession. Fatal Attraction, anyone? I'm sure there's not been extremes of someone boiling rabbits on a stove in another player's house, uninvited, but the fact that it --feels-- like a possiblity of things to come is just frightening.
As a player, aren't their like, rules or protection? An admin can slap them on the wrist, but what stops that paticular person from seeking OOC contact through any of the other people on the game? Unfortunately, not everyone is known to be trustworthy, and will sooner sell out your AIM for some gold than keep it to themselves. And so begins the strange IM's from a person you never wanted contact with to start with.
I'm not trying to scare anyone into deleting your OOC contact, or even limiting the reach that you have through RP, because it seems unncessary to be forced to such extremes... I'm just saying that one should be careful, seriously. While I'm sure everyone is cautious, sometimes it's not enough.
And the rant isn't just to warn you of what you already know, but to let those that do cross those lines that there are severe consequences, some could even be punishable by law. Yes, it seems like an extreme, but when it comes to the safety and well-being of a person, especially those with a family, then it's merely a precaution. Watch how you approach a person, how often, and make sure if and when you obtain a form of messenger for them, that it's from them giving it to you -- not any other method. It's just creepy.
So ends Terra Tantrum numbero uno. =]
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Post by Terra on Jun 27, 2008 18:05:38 GMT -5
Okay. I'm not finished. I have another one to bring up.
Number two: Self-righteous do-gooders.
I'm not trying to slam anybody, I'm not, honest. I'm simply trying to bring up a point. Don't take it personal or think it relates to any one person, because it likely doesn't. How you interpret it is your own thing, but this is my disclaimer... Shh.
I don't like these types of people. I don't like them when I encounter them in a work, school, or home enviorment. I don't think anyone really can say they do. I'm not saying that I don't like people who do good things, because we all could use more people who do contribute in a positive manner. And I'm not saying that I dislike those who report someone who is breaking the rules, because that is also a necessary evil, depending on your morals and the law. However, those that go to an extreme only serve to irritate me.
Lately, I've come across a few people that seemed to fall under this category and again, I'm not pointing at anyone. These type of people make the game less enjoyable. Actually, those type of people make EVERYTHING less enjoyable. It comes to a point when you no longer feel like you're debating a certain topic, but that you're arguing about who is better, or who can type the most. That's ... immature, really... And the worst of it all, is it normally comes from a person that attempts to be so much more mature than the people they interact with.
I recently got into an arguement -- a discussion, rather-- with someone of this nature, and it took a friend telling me to cool it to prevent me from flying off the handle. At times, it feels like the person is purposely baiting an arguement, or looking for reasons to fight about something. It appears that every thing has a flaw, and this must be brought to attention through several, long-winded rants that are impossible to miss. It's like they're a rain cloud to my Eeyore and I'm really tired of being rained on, to be frank.
I try to be a good person, friend, or whatever the hell it is I'm considered. I rarely lose my temper and I often try to help those that need it. It gets under my skin when people try to downplay that. When someone attempts to show up on the scene and make everyone else around them appear the bad guy, while they're getting off scotch-free from punishments. Just because you're the first to tattle in every offensive occasion, doesn't mean your hands aren't as dirty.
I think the things I hate most from people of this nature, aside from their snotty attitude and inability to leave well enough alone, are the sneaky, subtle insults that are weaved throughout posts. It becomes hurtful to a point, and when pointed out, it immediately is denied to leave that person with a squeaky-clean impression. It's beyond frustrating and along with the frustration, you get hurt feelings. These people remind me of the high school prom queens, those pesky people you thought you left behind. They're constantly striving to be the best, to be perfect, to be so damned good, that it becomes an annoyance.
I am not the only one that is bothered by the behaviour of these people, and I'm sure I'm not the only one that has had encounters that leave you feeling like somehow, someway you were wrong, despite the fact you were merely debating your own point. Having a good talk about things is fine, even if your opinons differ, but turning them into personal insults and reasons to get the other fired up and/or muted/trouble/etc. is pathetic. C'mon, folks... It's okay to lighten up, to admit that you may not know all the answers, to let little things slide, to remove your own head from the place where a few sticks are and to just have a laugh with people you'd normally butt heads with. I assure you -- you won't melt if you get a little bit of water on you, ffs.
This so ends, until I can think of more, this rant. =]
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Post by Terra on Jun 28, 2008 14:48:50 GMT -5
And you thought that I couldn't have anything else to rant about - hehe.
Number 3: Being fair.
Someone recently got punished, for what I believe to be stupid reasons. Though I'm not going to argue that point on here, because it's all said and done with now. That person is serving out their punishment, the trouble is ... they don't know how long they're stuck for it. The admin who punished this person never gave an actual time.
I do not think this is fair. Yes, the person has accepted the responsibilty for their actions, however miniscule the offense was, and there wasn't enough decency to inform them on the amount of time that they would be serving. I'm ... frustrated. This person has done numerous things to benefit Hollow as a whole, is a good person, and puts up with what everyone gives to them. There wasn't enough courtesy to spare them the same treatment?
Upon further investigation I found that for that specific punishment, the admin doesn't have to give you an amount of time for your punishment - this is why the rant is brought to you. How is that fair? Now, before you even START on the arguement that nothing in life is fair and that I should get used to it, don't. This isn't just about being fair, in fact, it almost feels like an insult. How come a time wasn't disclosed? The crime wasn't all that wrong, and shouldn't have went as far as it did, though both parties involved admit to that. It doesn't warrent a fair amount of time?
When asked, the admin who served the punishment wouldn't give me or the person being punished an answer. To make this clear I am NOT saying anything negative about the admin or the punishment, I just think a little respect deserves just that in return. Despite the person being punished tendancies to speak their mind --and often it's sharp, but fair-- they're normally respectful, especially to those who are in a poisiton of power because they realize respect gets respect.
Where's the respect? Where's any of it?
This isn't meant to be a rant protesting punishments, or the admins who dish them, or anything like that. It's merely to say that the players deserve that much - along with an explination as to why they are currently where they are. I didn't think that was asking too much. If the admins are able to monitor my every move and such, why can't they be kind in response?
Pffft, by this point it's whatever, and as you can tell, I wasn't the one being punished and you have to admire the person who --was-- in trouble for not starting this rant before I did, when I know they're likely more offended than I am over the situation.
Please, do NOT interpret this as an attack against anyone or anything, not even the method of punishment. If you choose too though, that's your own deal, whatever. Please follow the rules at the top of this thread, if that's your thing and you have something to say. =]
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Post by Joliette Thorne on Jun 28, 2008 17:57:03 GMT -5
(not much of a one, as I am quite tired) I just spent an hour of my life typing up a rant, about a game I try to care about, but which does not care about me bar a fistful of lovely, decent, sane human beings who I am lucky enough to have around to write with me. And at the end of this long and vitriolic rant, I decided that really, it just a product of sheer frustration. So I deleted it. And set about finding a different solution to my issues with the place. I hope I find one. Or make one PS: Thankyou Terra for giving me a space to work through stuff. Promise my next one will be more entertaining.
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Post by Jaidin Traye on Jun 29, 2008 17:01:54 GMT -5
I'll admit it-- I'm a normal player. I've been playing for years, and the rules on this game... Some are more opinion/interpretation than clear-cut. It comes down to morals, respect more often than not.
Here's a little tip: the admin don't share everything with each other. We each have our prospective things we 'rule' over; I am -the- bio person. Vuryal's the wiki guy. V, Rye, Hans-- they're the alt approval peeps. Fertie's rooms... You know what I mean?
One player yelled at me for not knowing what he was talking about. Wanted some room in, after some wedding-- things that I hadn't heard about whatsoever. When explained to that the admin have their specific areas of focus, I was told that we don't run smoothly and we better start sharing EVERYTHING with each other.
No. I do not have the ability to add rooms; I do not have the power to approve alts. So why should I be allowed privy to this information when anything I say on it, will not make a difference whatsoever?
So, onto my area: bios. Yes, they are absolutely ridiculous. Some players seem to have not gotten the memo (posted everywhere) that all 'I give permission' proof is to be sent to me-- in a myriad of ways available to the players. When I rejected a bio for not having the evidence in MY hmail, or for that matter on the website and wiki (that all players are allowed to view), the player returned with a rather... Snarky response that another admin had the proof. Yes, well, that doesn't help me in approving the bio! For whatever reason the other admin didn't send the proof to me, so now I am without it.
My feathers got ruffled to say the least. My response was not as polite, or 'customer service' as it should have been. That, I do regret wholly, and I am dreading what response I will be getting, now.
Bottom line: don't get upset when the admin don't know what you're talking about, or haven't had the opportunity to share that stuff with each other. We're only human.
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Post by sophie on Jun 30, 2008 8:39:26 GMT -5
*modsnip* : ( Sorry, Soph. But no replies to rants are allowed, even lovely, sweet nice ones. Or we'll have to give the nasty ones their space, too.
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Post by Joliette Thorne on Jul 4, 2008 20:36:20 GMT -5
OK, I seriously considered leaving Cabal. Just.. up and going.
I do not know WHY I give people the chances I do, you know? Maybe I'm dumb for expecting 'em to be somehow MORE capable of acting like normal human adults as time goes by.
Clearly, that's not the case.
Anyhow, I'm staying. For now. Will be cleaning Cabal up a little over the next couple weeks. As well as my buddy list. Basically, I'm shutting down ooc communication with everyone but Cabal leaders. Sorry, but I have just fucking had ENOUGH stupid, retarded, High-school mentality shit thrown my way, and I am not listening to it anymore. I'm just weeding it out of my roleplay existence, on all levels.
I am better than that.
Sorry for the drama. I am angry. And disappointed in people. I seem to attract the unbalanced like a magnet. It wll never affect me this way again, it will not get the chance to.
No, I am not discussing this any further.
Once more, I am REALLY, REALLY, sorry I'm not more able to just... ignore it. I will do a better job from now on. Sadly, that means giving far less of my trust and time to less people in general, especially oocly. So, as usual, decent folks have to pay for the stupidity of a few. Sorry, but iunno if I can trust people like I have done, even to allowing basic conversation, anymore.
You can thank Hollow's retarded ho-bag brigade, for that. Seriously, people need to grow up. Realise that manipulating people, breaking trusts, lying to them, for your own amusement does not make you cool.
In the grown-up world, it makes you pitiful.
OH--- if you're not capable of NOT slipping stupid teeny ooc digs into your posts or manner of roleplay, just-- don't post at me. Really, don't.
Because then I'll have to go to the trouble of typing "ignore (you)" into my submit box. And you will NOT be coming off it, ever.
.Per durabo, despite it. Per durabo.
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Post by Terra on Feb 26, 2010 0:45:28 GMT -5
Revival means revisiting and remembering. I'm back on this thread and I can remember why is was created in the first place. Because I spend hours on a game where -every so often- I contemplate beating my face against the keyboard until I've lost all capability of understand the words on my screen just to escape idiocy. Here we go, folks.
Tavern .... what's the nice word? Sluts.
This has literally made me want to cry. I watched as a character gave a lapdance to an absolute stranger in the Tavern. It was in horrible taste, lacked any real sense of RP and was just pathetic. Why do women do this to themselves? Drag their alter-egos, because at this point they cannot simply be characters, into a game where all they do is whore themselves out? They become famous for being nothing more than a promiscious being which reflects badly both IC and OOC yet they're perfectly okay with this label.
Am I getting old or is the new hip thing to be a harlot? Things like this can go on, but getting the Dens up above the Corpse have to be such a hassle? You can watch these ... women (see? I can be nice) have sex in the middle of a public place and go without punishment yet the RP is stalled in our case? Am I the only one bothered by the tavern-dwelling teeny-boppers? Cripes.
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Post by Joliette Thorne on Feb 27, 2010 5:48:48 GMT -5
Dear Females,
NOBODY GIVES A FUCK WHAT YOUR FUCKING HAIR IS DOING.
That is all.
- S
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